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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Sep 16, 2006 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: "Great Versions" of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

Before I start this post- according to the statistics at www.rukind.com- of the top 8 most played songs in GD History, Bobby has the lead vocal on the top 5 and 6 of the top 8- one song alternates verses.

Anyway- I could tolerate and even enjoy in the eighties PITB, TMNS, Cassidy, Estimated Prophet, Stranger, Jackstraw, Dancin in the Streets (I actually heard the last ever at the meadowlands in 87).

Many songs I realy just disliked- so I am looking for the killer version of the following songs 1983-1990

There is one rule for this little game- the song has to be a killer version due to what BOBBY is doing and not because of blistering Garcia leads. I have an excellent ear- so any musicians out there you can go all technical on me and show me the light- show me I could have appreciated these songs and should have listened closer

I need a MIracle
Lost Sailor
St. of Circumstance
Queen Jane
Desolation Row
Around and Around
Throwing Stones
Hell in a Bucket
Mexacli Blues
New Minglewood
Samson And Delilah
Beat it on DOwn the Line
CC RYder
Corrina
El Paso
Eternity
Corrina
Good Lovin
The Promised Land
Greatest Story Ever Told
Little Red Rooster

I got up to the L's- that is enough for now- so yeah, much of his song book was unappealing- and it could almost be tolerated in the 1st set- it is the number of set 2's that he cremated with a Miracle, or Throwing Stones, or ROund and ROund that I cannot forgive.

When I paint my masterpipece
Walkin BLues
Lovelight





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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 17, 2006 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

I see no point to answering this. We all have different likes and dislikes. Why even dignify this with answers when " I will take you home" is the definative buzzkill but for some reason Brent seems to get a pass from everyone, maybe because they feel sorry for him or maybe because people think he really was that great. I also think Standing on the Moon was about as big a drag as ever done but it's a Jerry tune so allmost everyone has to worship it.

Instead of ripping on the band I'd rather rip on trust fund poser hippies walking around unbathed with black feet because they're too stupid to wear shoes asking for free rides and handouts then whipping out their parents credit cards to buy tickets then spending more of their time in the shows doing political jockying in the scene to prove theyre Deader than thou then paying attention to the show.

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Poster: Colorado Rain Date: Sep 17, 2006 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

gonna have to go with uncle on this one.
well put.

peace ;-)

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Sep 16, 2006 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90: Must've sucked for you!!

Man it must have sucked to go to a show and know you would dislike up to 50% of it before you even got there.... were you just waiting for the buzzkill after drums?

There were definitely songs I did not like, but I don't think I would have gone if I disliked that many of the standards that were played so often.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2006-09-17 04:26:20

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Sep 16, 2006 9:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90: Must've sucked for you!!

I need a Miracle - closing of winterland with Kelly on Harmonica, is killer with a great out jam.
Also, I CANNOT BELIEVE you put Greatest Story Ever Told on this list.
Stanley Theatre 72 is a monster - Many Others as well - also the lyrics are very cool. One thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench... indeed....

For the record the greatest buzzkill was always Truckin-Black Peter-Around & Around-Good Lovin to end the set. Followed of course by either Day Job or Don't ease me In as the encore.... Had me in the parking lot before the second verse!!

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Sep 17, 2006 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90: Must've sucked for you!!

Remember- I have excluded the seventies and sixties from my dislike of these tunes- it was what Bobby did in the mide eighties onward and the times he chose to do them

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 17, 2006 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90: Must've sucked for you!!

Cap't,

Got bored with TOO>wharf>TS>NFA. saw that combo way too many times in the late 80's

Knockin had me going to the car faster than anything. It was great when Hornsby was in the band because when he picked up the squeezebox he tipped the hand that it was a pretty good shot that they were going to play that tune.

That QUICKLY changed when I heard the first I fought the law encore. Unacceptable for this band to call that an encore. Unfortunatley the song is only 2 mins long so there really was no time to get a jump on traffic.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Sep 16, 2006 9:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90: Must've sucked for you!!

Bobby laid some eggs on stage. Walkin Blues, Corrina and Easy Answers did nothing for me. I would have stopped going to shows, if I got sick of the Playing jams, Let it Grow, Estimated Prophet ans sveral more songs...

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Sep 16, 2006 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

Seems to me that my words are not being judged inthe context of the entire body of my work here- Purple Gel- you know better- A concert could absolutely still be great if I went in expecting to not like 50% of the standards- that would be true of nearly any band I like- I love Prog rock- Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Rush, etc......the last Yes concert I went too was very fine- I spoke of it on this forum- yet half the songs were dull- Owner of a Lonely Heart acoustic? Please

So it is not logical to say I was ready for a buzz kill simply because a Bobby tune was coming up- I would have taken Drums-space-The other One-Dew closer a hundred times. When I went I hoped to get the Bobby catalog I liked- If I did not, then that did not ruin the show- others here know what I am talking about- there is a superb 1st half of the 2nd set- Maybe a China-Rider or Scarlet Fire to open- perhaps a terrapin or a truckin thrown in there- and along comes the, for the most part, pointless drums/space (by the end of the eighties)- that was always an okay bathroom break for me- and after this terrific 2nd set the come out of space into wharf rat or the wheel and the energy is still cooking and SPLAT the insipid Throwingstonesnotfadeaway would come or AROUND AND SPLAT and Miracle my butt-

But like on 4/6/82 when I got truckin- the other one-dew-sugar mag.............yeah baby- bliss- so I did not like most of Bobbies tunes- that was not an automatic buzzkill- my problem was with the choices he made- the choices he made many nights were not in the flow of the rest of the set

You folks out there are agreeing with me but not chiming in- that is okay- I wanted to fire this place up a bit

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Poster: acetboy Date: Sep 17, 2006 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

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This post was modified by acetboy on 2008-05-30 02:31:25

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-09-17 18:07:28

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 17, 2006 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

personally, i love about 80% of the bobby tunes. love rooster, walkin blues, let it grow, etc etc.
got to admit i got very very sick of throwing stones>nfa. we got to calling it "throw it away." not that it is a bad song - just got annoying.
never like corrina though - may not be a bad song per se - just not to my liking.
i certainly dont love 100% of the jerry tunes either. if i never hear black muddy river again, it will be too soon.
to me, the greatful dead concert experience was the wonderful interweaving of bob and jerry tunes - sometimes it didn't work - but most times it worked big time (imho). there are "buzzkill" versions of every song, bob or jerry, depending on the night. just my 1 1/2 cents

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 17, 2006 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

How about Easy answers out of space? Those poor folks thought they escaped without getting it yet again but little did they know Bobby was going to sock em in the end. One reviewer on this site doing an Albany show had a funny story about a hippy behind him at the gig screaming and cursing at weir when he heard the tuning of EA out of space. Thought that was funny. Check out Miracle from hartford spring 87. Pretty powerful version. Definitely not the throwaway it became.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 17, 2006 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

Liam, few jump to mind.

Good lovin MSG 87. Not just because of the la bamba but weir goes nuts.

CC rider Oakland NYE 85. Amazing version

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Sep 17, 2006 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

Thanks- I am going to check that out again- I was at that show. MSG that is

I will check out the other example you pointed out- as well as the Miracle from Hartford- to my new friend who said that I would not like something even if it were pointed out.....you know me that well that you can state without a doubt that I will not change my mind?

Wow- did not know we knew each other so well- but before you take me for an idiot and malign me further- try giving me an example and I will gladly check it out.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 17, 2006 6:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

if you were at that MSG 87 show, you will know how great bob was during that entire show - one of the best dead shows ever. if you can 'dis bob during that one - you are hopeless.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Sep 16, 2006 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

Come on, man. The Dead wouldnt be the Dead without Weir. It would sound totally different,and you'd notice it I bet. Do you really not like Minglewood? Little Red Rooster? GSET? What Dead songs do you like?

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Poster: WORDSdidGLOW Date: Sep 16, 2006 9:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

So a show without Bobby we may get something like:
Wharf Rat>Stella Blue> China Doll
Dude the whole crowd would go home with a case of severe depression after something like that! If you don;t appreciate Bon Weir for both his playing and vocal abilities, then you my friend do not understand this band.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Sep 17, 2006 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

Wow- seems like reading comprehension skills are at an all time low- read my posts again- I have acknowledged his great playing- I have acknowledge 6-10 great Bobby tunes- I have stated many times my opnions here about songs, shows, etc- so to say I do not comprehend the band is, at a minimum, quite silly.

I still think the Grateful Dead would have gone on being the Grateful Dead if something had happened to Bob- I truly do- as we all know, they could not do this withou Jerry.

When did I saw I would prefer solely Jerrys songs post space? Why not Music Never Stopped in the 2nd half of the second set? Why not keep Dancin in the rotation instead of retiring it in 87? THat would be a fine post drums songs- as would Estimated Prophet- that did not have to come before drums and space exclusively.....I heard a few truckins after space in my day- that was cool-

You all seem to be missing the point- that point is the song choices that were made-

If it makes you feel better, I hated Black Peter in that section of the show- and I hated Stella Blue in that section- why couldn't Stella be a first set song? Why not Candyman on that spot? Why not Stagger Lee? Maybe It is because I went to about 40 shows and not 240 that I feel this way- and felt ripped off if I could only catch one or two shows on a tour and I had the misfortune of catching tunes I disliked after space-

One should not have their understanding or comprehension of the band questioned and one should not be subject to ridicule for expressing their opinion- seems to me that not walking in lockstep with the band- or pointing out what I feel was a major weakness in the band's song choices- particularly one member- brings out those who would ostracize- but then, why should I be surprised? The vitriol spewed on this board when the files were pulled from downloading showed who the real deadheads were- and who were there for a social scene and the drug scene.

I am not anti-drug- not at all- I had my days- but the vast majority of the shows I saw were not dosed- maybe I would have felt differently were I younger and dosed- but it is fascinating to see the catcalling and the name calling and the jabs one gets if they step outside the "mold" and express an unpopular opinion

So continue to flame away- rather than do what I asked for- which is point out the versions of the songs that I disliked so that I might change my mind- did anyone but a few even catch that? THat I was willing to change my mind?

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Poster: The Bopper Date: Sep 17, 2006 6:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Great Versions' of Buzzkill Bobby tunes '83-'90

Here are some versions I like. I'll try for more later. In many cases, I enjoy these b/c of Jerry, Brent or Phils work or just the overall energy of the show.

Lost Sailor 11/2/84
St. of Circumstance 11/2/84
Hell in a Bucket 7/4/84
New Minglewood - 10/8/83
Samson And Delilah - 4/18/82
Beat it on DOwn the Line - 8/7/82, 8/10/82
Good Lovin - 10/12/84
Greatest Story Ever Told -12/30/86, 9/20/90